Parochial Church Council:
Celia Kozlowski, Secretary; David Major, Treasurer; Penny Bates, Pat Harvey, Rupert Little, Peter Maltby, Elaine Major, David Mayor,
Linda Stamp, John Whitfield
All are Welcome to attend our PCC meetings
Minutes of the PCC for St. Andrew's
11 November 2010--Old Pound Inn snug, 7 p.m.
1. Welcome and Prayers – Revd. Ellis. Apologies and absences: Rupert, Peter Maltby, Elaine; Linda
2. Minutes for the previous meeting were agreed as a true copy of the proceedings
3. Matters Arising:
A. Gill Sims has requested organ tuning and minor repairs,
but has had some trouble contacting previous repair person. David Major
stated that there is £1496 in the organ fund that can only be used for
the organ. Hugh mentioned that the Long Load organ may be available to
a church that needs to replace its organ. Action item: John will try to
find contact information for the organ repair person, and Gill will be
urged to retain his services.
B. The Sims have submitted a report to the PCC on the state of the “pious pelican”,
a low-relief carving that was once on the south door of the church when
this door was in use. It has been stored in the vestry for some years.
It was inspected by an expert who estimated that cleaning and
restoration would cost £500. John observed that would be quite a bill
for the pelican. Pat moved that the PCC request that the Sims keep the
sculpture in their home until the dry season in order to avoid another
transition in humidity to the cold and damp of the church. Penny
seconded the motion and it was unanimously approved. The issue of
repair and restoration will be revisited in the future.
* Fabric: John
reported that he has signed off on the repairs. He and David Major will
clear the gutters after the leaves have fallen from the trees.
David Major has emailed the pcc a preliminary report on the English
Heritage visit. A decision on funding should be forthcoming in
December. If the church is successful, we could hope for £3000 to
inspect the tower with a cherry picker, then £80,000 for tower repair,
deemed to be the area of greater need. English Heritage’s architect was
concerned about the level of damage there, but found the church
architecturally interesting. Pat said she seemed positive about the church.
John said St Andrews came across as a church that was loved. Pat
proposed that the PCC commend David Major for his preparation of the
application and for the visit of English Heritage. This was seconded
and unanimously approved.
* Finance: David
Major outlined the General Fund’s ongoing shortfall of income relative
to expenses. The deficit was £3800 as of September. At the current
rate, the Fund will be completely exhausted in 18 months. To offset
this deficit, every member of the church would have to give, on
average, £15 more per month. The Diocese will be reducing our share to
them by 10%, based on our declining congregation.
A claim of £393.40 has been submitted under the Listed Places of
Worship scheme to recover the VAT paid for the church roof repair.
The church’s funds in the CCLA account, which holds £12325.22,
currently garners only 0.5% interest. A NatWest business account would
get 1% interest. David Mayor moved that David Major be given the
authority to keep an eye out for any significantly higher rates and go
for it if the church accounts are eligible. The motion was seconded and
* Fundraising & Events
– David Major related that calendar sales are slow this year—120
compared to 150 last year at this time. Last year we ultimately sold
208, bringing in £971. It is hoped that Linda might be able to sell
more calendars to parents of children that are featured in two months.
Other possible sales might be to business concerns that would send them
to clients as holiday gifts and souvenirs, such as Karen’s B&B in
Bere or Guy & Laura’s holiday let. We will also mention the
calendar in a flyer for the holiday services, and try to sell some at
Jazz Night and Bingo. Linda and friends will be doing Bingo on 11
Night: 41 tickets have been reserved (35 definite). We sold 80 tickets
last year. Celia suggested we look into seating arrangements that would
separate chatty tables from tables of music lovers.
*Worship / Music/ Future services:
Remembrance Sunday will follow the pattern of previous years, including
wreath-laying by Peter Maltby, Mary Lockyer, Alf, and Michael Layard.
The frontal should be red.
Carol Service will be on Dec 19th with Molly playing. We will plan a
reception afterwards and ask for volunteers to make mince pies. The
church will provide a wine punch. Action item: Pat to discuss with Emma
will play for the Christmas Eve Service. Peter Robinson from Martock
will preach. Jess will give the bell-ringers’ service. Pat will not be
here over Christmas
Staffing and Pattern of Services:
The Carol Service will be Dave Mayor’s last service for awhile as he
will be taking a sabbatical to be more involved at the RNAS chaplaincy.
Hugh said how hugely the church has appreciated what Dave has done,
repaying the trust placed in him. A bit of a pioneer adventure, Dave’s
ministry has yielded nothing but positive feedback from Aller and
elsewhere. Hugh said the team would now invest some extra resources in
Aller, in the form of Jess’ time as she is able and has the capacity.
Pat and John concurred with Hugh’s appreciation of Dave’s ministry and
said he would be missed. Pat, with Penny’s concurrence, said Dave had
been a wonderful gift. Hugh said he offered exactly what was needed.
Perhaps Dave’s stepping back would enable others to come forward.
PCC discussed staffing of Eucharist services. Hugh emphasized the
number of communions above and beyond one (and even that could be a
Team eucharist elsewhere) was up to our preferences. Pat noted that
non-eucharist services are best attended. Dave noted that there were
about 8 hard core attenders who would come to all services, whereas
other people specialize in attending particular types of services, such
as family services or Songs of Praise. Traditional language is
preferred by some, but is an obstacle for others. Relationships are
also important – the Bishops have direct relationships with people in
the village, and this was a powerful attraction. Other priests “do a
job” here – the bishops are part of the community.
stated he prefers communion services and loves the Book of Common
Prayer, but recognizes that it frustrates people. The Common Worship
service is fine. He urged not dropping a eucharist. Hugh urged the PCC
to help the congregation build a relationship with Jess.
was discussion on flexibility on time of service. Pat noted that as
creatures of habit, people get confused if the service is at different
times. Fourth Sunday presents a staffing issue now as this is when the
Celtic service is, although Jane Twitty is not involved in that.
Evening services have some appeal as people may be more relaxed then,
we can offer a glass of wine and nibbles and the priest can be present
after the service and not have to speed off to another service. Dave
noted that it could be an opportunity for a more contemplative service.
Hugh suggested the possibility of a more mystical service with bells
The pattern that was agreed finally is:
1st Sunday: Family Service, 9:30 a.m.
Sunday: Evening Variety Service – Songs of Praise – Something out of
the box – a bridge to people who like a more informal service
3rd Sunday: Team Eucharist
4th Sunday: Traditional Eucharist, 9:30 a.m.
5th Sunday: Evening Songs of Praise or Eucharist or Alternative Service (contrasting with 2nd Sunday service)
5. Team Council meeting
on 14 September – Celia and Dave Mayor attended. Next meeting
Date: 16 November. Rupert agreed previously that he would do this one;
Pat agreed to go also.
other business—It was proposed that we give Jim Slade a garden store
voucher as a gift from the church. Pat seconded the motion and it was
unanimously approved. Action item: Pat will handle.
There was discussion of the lead theft at St. Mary’s. It was suggested
that St. Andrews spray its lead with “smart water.” Action item: John will research this.
7. Date of next meeting – Action item: Rupert will set a date in January for this and for a subsequent meeting in March.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:39 p.m.
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